In our This Is Us Season 6 Episode 9 review, we break down “The Hill,” an episode that finally gives Kate and Toby’s marriage something more complicated than a good-guy/bad-guy explanation.
Kate is happy with the life she has built in Los Angeles. Toby is happy with the person he has become in San Francisco. Neither one is wrong for wanting those things, which is precisely why their conflict hurts. Their problem is no longer that one person simply needs to change; it is that they have both changed, and the futures they now imagine no longer look the same.
Below, you can listen to our original recap and reaction, watch the full conversation and dig into the episode’s strongest ideas: why Kate keeps seeing Old Toby, why Toby’s San Francisco plan is understandable but deeply flawed, what the hill actually represents, why the emotional math of this marriage finally starts adding up and why this particular story hit so close to home for us.
Full spoilers for This Is Us Season 6 Episode 9, “The Hill,” follow. This discussion covers Kate and Toby’s San Francisco weekend, Toby’s job decision, Old Toby, Kate’s climb and where their marriage appears to be heading.
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Mary and Blake discuss why neither Kate nor Toby is completely right or wrong, how long-term relationships survive change, why Old Toby is more than a nostalgic cameo, Mandy Moore’s direction, Kate’s emotional growth and the moment when Toby’s understandable argument turns into something much harder to defend.
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This Is Us Season 6 Episode 9 Recap: What Happens In “The Hill”?
Kate travels to San Francisco to spend time with Toby and see the life he has built there. Toby has carefully planned the visit, packing their time together with restaurants, sightseeing and a look at the kind of future he believes they could have if Kate and the children moved north. The problem is that what Toby sees as possibility increasingly feels to Kate like a sales presentation.
The tension sharpens when Kate learns from Toby’s boss that Toby had an opportunity to take a job in Los Angeles and did not accept it. That information changes the shape of their disagreement. This is no longer simply a family being forced apart by Toby’s employment; Toby has made a significant decision about their future without Kate fully participating in it.
Their conflict eventually exposes something more painful than the distance between Los Angeles and San Francisco. Kate has created a life she genuinely loves with her children, her work and the community around her. Toby has created a life he genuinely loves too, and both begin to recognize that they may actually be happier when they are living separately.
After their argument, Kate walks away rather than continuing to fight. She climbs the hill Toby had earlier assumed she would not want to climb, reaches the top and finds the clarity to consider what she wants next.
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Mary gave “The Hill” 4.8 lemonades, while Blake landed at 4.7. We both found the episode deeply affecting, even if Blake thought some of its symbolism became heavier-handed than it needed to be. What worked was the emotional complexity underneath those larger gestures.
For much of Season 6, Blake had been frustrated by what felt like an effort to make Toby the obvious problem. “The Hill” is better because it finally gives his position enough weight that we can understand it. Toby wants financial stability, better long-term options and a plan for the future. Kate wants her children surrounded by family, wants to remain connected to the work that has given her purpose and has been deeply affected by Rebecca’s reminder that life is short enough to require living in the present.
Good drama becomes interesting when both choices contain something worth protecting and something that may be lost. “The Hill” finally gives Kate and Toby that kind of conflict. We may disagree with individual decisions they make, but the episode is strongest when it refuses to reduce the marriage to one villain and one victim.
Why Is The Episode Called “The Hill”?
The hill is literal. Toby tells Kate that part of San Francisco is uphill and assumes taking a car will simply make things easier. Later, Kate chooses to make that climb herself. The symbolism is obvious, but the episode has been building toward that choice through Kate’s relationship with challenge for most of her life.
As a child, Kate refuses to let go of Jack in the pool and asks why she should. As a teenager, she struggles with the idea of climbing the fence. Those earlier versions of Kate have learned to associate safety with staying close to the people who protect her or accepting the limitations she believes are already there.
Adult Kate climbing the hill therefore represents more than physical effort. She stops allowing somebody else to decide what she can manage, reaches the top on her own and looks at a future that she is beginning to imagine for herself.
Is Kate Or Toby Right In “The Hill”?
Neither of them is completely right, and neither is completely wrong. That was the core of our conversation because the episode becomes dramatically richer once both positions are treated as legitimate. Kate and Toby are looking at the same family and prioritizing different forms of responsibility.
Kate is focused on the present. Her children are young, Jack needs routines and support, Rebecca’s health makes family time feel increasingly precious and Kate has finally found work that gives her a sense of identity and purpose. Toby is looking years ahead at schooling, finances, housing and the resources their family will need as the children grow.
Both perspectives belong inside a marriage. Their problem is that the conversation has become a competition over which future will win rather than a shared attempt to create one together.
Why Toby’s San Francisco Weekend Feels Wrong Even When His Reasons Make Sense
Toby plans nearly every moment of Kate’s visit, and Blake admitted that he could absolutely imagine doing the same thing. From Toby’s perspective, he has discovered a life that works. His job is going well, he likes the city and he can imagine providing his family with a future there, so naturally he wants Kate to see everything he sees.
The problem is the motive underneath the itinerary. Toby is not simply showing Kate his world; he is trying to convince her to choose it. The restaurants, apartment and carefully arranged weekend become part of an argument he has largely constructed before she arrives.
That is why discovering the Los Angeles job opportunity matters so much. Kate realizes that Toby has already been making choices about what their future should look like while presenting San Francisco as though circumstances left them with no meaningful alternative.
Toby’s Future Plan Has One Important Blind Spot
Mary’s biggest practical question about Toby’s plan involved Jack. Toby talks about saving for school and preparing financially for his son’s future, but the family already has access to a music school in Los Angeles built around working with blind students, and Kate has become part of that community.
Mary related that concern to her own family’s experience considering moves while accounting for the resources available to her sister. A cheaper home or better salary does not automatically create the better environment when a family member requires specialized services, education or community support.
That omission does not make Toby’s financial concerns illegitimate. It does show why his version of planning ahead is incomplete: a family’s future cannot be reduced to salary and housing without considering the infrastructure already helping the children thrive.
Why Does Kate Keep Seeing Old Toby?
Bringing Old Toby back could have been nothing more than nostalgia. Instead, “The Hill” uses him as a visual representation of the version of Toby that Kate is still mourning. The episode even prepares us for the device through Fight Club, a movie built around a character interacting with a version of himself that exists inside his own perception.
The important point is that Old Toby was not necessarily a healthier Toby. One of Blake’s favorite ideas in the episode is Toby’s argument that Kate fell in love with what was effectively a coping mechanism. The jokes, self-deprecation and personality Kate remembers so fondly were connected to a man who was struggling deeply.
That makes Kate’s longing genuinely complicated. She misses the person she fell in love with, but demanding that Toby become that person again would mean asking him to retreat from changes that may have helped him survive. Old Toby is therefore not evidence that New Toby is wrong; he represents another part of the past Kate has to understand before she can decide what she wants from the future.
The Real Problem Is That Kate And Toby Both Changed
One of the reasons this episode hit us so personally is that change is unavoidable inside any long-term partnership. Your spouse changes. Your children change. Your parents change. You change. A promise to build a life together therefore includes a question nobody can completely answer at the beginning: what happens when the people making that promise eventually become different people?
Kate has changed enormously. Motherhood has given her a sense of purpose, her work has given her a voice and she has developed a life that no longer resembles the woman who once believed her future was blank. Toby has changed too. He is healthier, professionally successful and more confident about the person he wants to be.
“The Hill” understands that growth does not automatically guarantee compatibility. Two people can both become happier versions of themselves and still discover that the relationship built around their earlier selves is having trouble evolving with them.
Why “The Hill” Hit Blake So Personally
There was another reason Kate and Toby’s conflict landed so hard. Watching Toby throw himself into work he genuinely loved while insisting that his professional choices were ultimately about protecting his family forced Blake to recognize an uncomfortable version of his own life in the episode.
After losing the professional future he once assumed he would have, starting over in a new career and becoming determined to prove that he could succeed again, Blake began putting enormous amounts of himself into work. The intention was to rebuild and provide for his family. The harder realization was that some of those choices were beginning to pull him away from the people he believed all that work was supposed to protect.
“The Hill” became the catalyst for a separate personal conversation about work, identity, family, starting over and recognizing that escaping an old life does not automatically mean you have escaped all of its rules.
Kate’s Story Echoes Rebecca And Beth
Mary connected Kate’s conflict to a pattern the series has explored through its other central marriages. Rebecca eventually wants something beyond the identity created by motherhood and tries to return to music. Beth reaches a point where being absorbed into Randall’s political ambitions is no longer enough and insists on reclaiming a professional identity of her own.
Kate now arrives at her version of the same question. She has found work that matters to her after becoming a mother, and the challenge is whether the marriage can make room for that identity rather than treating it as secondary to whatever is most practical for the family. Watching three different couples negotiate that problem across different generations gives “The Hill” more weight than a simple argument about where somebody should live.
One Of Kate’s Biggest Changes Is Knowing When To Walk Away
Mary particularly appreciated the way Kate repeatedly recognizes when she is too emotional to continue a productive conversation. After discovering Toby’s job decision, she steps outside to compose herself. When another conversation becomes heated, she refuses to force it further. After the larger confrontation, she goes for the walk that becomes her climb up the hill.
That behavior matters because Kate is not merely escaping the conflict. She is creating enough distance from the noise to hear her own voice. Mary connected strongly with that need to leave a difficult moment temporarily rather than allowing anger to make the decision first.
The hill works best when understood through that emotional process. Kate does not climb because the writers need her to prove she can walk uphill. She climbs because she finally needs enough space to decide what she believes she can do next.
“When We Do This” Changes The Entire Conversation
For most of the episode, Blake could understand Toby’s argument even when he disagreed with the way Toby had handled things. A better-paying job, a larger home and concern about the family’s future are not selfish desires. Toby’s mistake is increasingly treating those priorities as evidence that his solution must therefore become the family’s solution.
That becomes unmistakable when his language shifts toward the assumption that the move is something they are going to do. At that point, the conversation stops sounding like two spouses trying to solve a difficult problem and begins sounding like Toby has already decided what solving the problem requires.
Understanding Toby’s perspective does not require accepting his conclusion. That distinction is one of the episode’s strengths: empathy for a character should make the conflict more complicated, not make every choice defensible.
The Small Moments Work Better Than The Big Symbols
We spent part of the podcast talking about Mandy Moore stepping behind the camera and Chrissy Metz helping write the episode, but what impressed Blake most was the attention paid to small performance details. One moment between Kate and Toby is built around little more than Kate tilting her head after Toby says something hurtful and Toby almost physically retreating once he realizes how far the comment went.
Those beats are where the episode is most confident. Blake was less enthusiastic about moments like teenage Kate being unable to climb the fence because the symbolism announces itself so aggressively. The emotional idea is valid, but the series occasionally puts too large a sign around something the performances have already allowed us to understand.
Old Toby works better precisely because the device is strange enough to become expressive rather than merely explanatory. He externalizes Kate’s internal argument and allows the show to make the past physically occupy space beside the present.
Kate Finally Has The Life She Once Couldn’t Imagine
The opening of the episode gives Kate’s dilemma its emotional center. She explains that when she was younger she could not imagine a future at all, and that meeting Toby helped remove much of that emptiness. Now she feels healthy, connected, purposeful and genuinely happy with the life she has built.
That makes the crisis painful because the marriage is not simply evidence of an old mistake. Toby mattered enormously to the person Kate became. The tragedy is that helping somebody reach a fuller version of herself does not guarantee that you will occupy the same place in the life she eventually creates.
Mary especially loved seeing Kate as a mother because the role has given her a form of love and purpose that younger Kate could not imagine. Her children do not see her through the insecurities that once defined her view of herself; they simply know her as their mother.
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Sometimes The TV Conversation Gets Personal
“The Hill” hit unusually close to home because Kate and Toby’s conversation touches the things long relationships eventually have to confront: change, work, parenting, identity and the fear that two people can love each other while struggling to imagine the same future. Those are the conversations we love having around the kitchen table, where talking about television eventually becomes talking about why the story mattered to us in the first place.
The Hardest Part Of Growing Is Realizing Everyone Else Grew Too
Kate once looked at Jack in the pool and asked why she would ever let go. There was safety in holding on, and for much of her life the people she loved helped define the limits of what she believed she could become. Toby eventually became one of those people too, first by helping Kate imagine a fuller life and later by becoming part of the life she was afraid to lose.
“The Hill” finally asks Kate to consider whether holding on and moving forward can still mean the same thing. Toby changed. Kate changed. Neither one has to become the person they used to be. The painful question is whether the people they are now can still climb the same hill together.
